This mitre saw is good!!!!! Hilti has really done a great job on this!!!
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2024
- This is the new Hilti 300mm double bevel mitre saw, I have been using the saw for some time and this video is a look at some of its features and functionality.
Some features that are really useful include the compactness of the machine allowing it to work up against a wall or surface, It also has a feature that casts a shadow on the line of the blade when making a cut something that i did not show or explain in this video
This Mitre saw costs £849.60 ex vat for the bare body
The Mitre saw with two big batteries and charge £1764.60 ex vat
On Hilti's Fleet management
Bare mitre saw £31.83 per month
Mitre saw, 2 batteries ad charger £68.16 per month
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How much is it?
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Wow, £1500. I paid £700 for the big dewalt 10 years ago and £20 for an extension lead.x
Maybe they would lend me one to try out? X
On par with the festool kapex on price but is it as good? I previously bought the dewalt for £700ish but it was nowhere near accurate enough when extended. Kept it for a month then sold it. The kapex is by far the most accurate saw I've ever used.
@williamrussell961 it looks like it. One of their 85mm saws looks like mafell, and so does one of the sanders.
I can't understand all the negativity towards it being a paid promotion review. The time and effort that you must have been put in over the years making videos to share your knowledge and experience, I think it's the least you deserve to get a bit of recognition and be working with a high end tool manufacturer. Well deserved Rob 👏
Thank you Chris
Thanks Robin,another concise video with proper testing of the tool,looks like a high quality tool for high quality work 😊👍👍
Cheere Steve
I'm a joiner, & I LOVE the big-cut size & 'shadow-light' of the De-Walt bigger mitre- saws. I love the fine adjustment of the Hilti rip-snorters too.
I LOVE the 'double-hinge' Bosch mitre-saws, despite them being heavy.
But if money was no object... the MAFELL 75mm depth track-saw would be in my possession...👍👍❤️
@@videostarish Bruh, Mafell needs to move their butts with that cordless jigsaw.
@@robertrada4783 And maybe a mitre-saw... 👍
@@videostarish I have a feeling they’d point at the Erika or one of the crosscut saws if brought up. Man those cross cuts are fantastic though. My little KSS 40 is the greatest thing in the universe to me. Just don’t tell my daughter. 😂
@@robertrada4783out this month 😊
Robin. Thanks for the tutorial. One thing I was surprised you didn't do, when you set up the stand, you didn't give the legs on one end a little kick out to stabilize the stand. As a result, you could see the stand moving from side to side a small amount to set it.
Immitation is the best form of flattery, Makita will be so pleased 😂
It’s a Chervon saw and the only thing it’s imitating Makita took from Festool and Hitachi.
What a bit of kit, I met a Hilti rep and they have a fantastic engineering R&D department. Great video
Blimey that’s so awesome. Looks like an absolute beast
Yes Oli, it's smart!!!
Ah the price point fussers. I bit on a hammer drill/driver and two Nuron batteries last year and I have been telling folks am In Transition since. I have known Hilti quality since I was a kid (and priced into Makita 9.6v at the time...) but to experience it is something else. Customer service and brand accountability alone are worth the money. I have a lot of "other" red tools, (and batteries) but I am finding that am reaching for my Nuron gear more and more, and shopping their stuff as well. They are positioning competitively in general construction and carpentry tools, and for example I purchased the Nuron angle grinder bare tool at the same price as an M!* and just such a nicer tool. A poor craftsman blames his tools, but my tools are helping me to be a better craftsman. Cheers Robin, all tool reviews aside, thanks for all of your hard work and educating the community.
@@Jacob_Dwyer I’ve been reaching for the Nuron stuff and forgetting I have everything else.
I don't understand complaining about the price. I have no choice about my water supplier but it's not compulsory to buy this saw. Just buy a cheaper one.
I think the Festool Kapex has nothing to worry about.
What a good job hilti have done !!!!! You would say that when its free and not payed £2116.80 pound for it .
I have the metabo 305 and 216 diameter both excellent saws had them both over 10 years not a bit of trouble, proper built and the leg section is aluminium and very sturdy. Looks like Hilti copied some of the features, both of mine are mains 😉👍
thats a really nice saw...love the hilti tools
Now that’s a beast of a saw, rob, you need a bigger van to carry that ! You should have a prize draw, if you’re thinking of getting rid of your older bits of equipment! 🤔. Well done matey. 👍❤️
Lot's of features that a very similar to the makita 40v mitre saw the only thing i don't like is the adjustment knob on the front they tend to become loose over time i prefer the dewalt adjustment that snaps down it's so much easier to use 🔨
Great intro to the saw!
Looks like a nice piece of kit !
Amazing Saw Thanks
Really cool video. Great to see hilti growing. I’ll stick with my festool though.
I just really wished it had it's handle behind the blade aligned vertically. Right angle handles introduce torsion which can lead to cuts not being precise. Not a bother for most carpenters doing general carpentry. But if you're doing stain grade, high end finish carpentry, you want to all the advantages you can get.
Looks like a nice saw. Don't see a lot of Hilti in Australia.
Been using Hilti for a few decades,
where they hit you hard is with the consumables & fixings
Yeah I bought up 100 near sell by resin packs on ebay the other day, otherwise that’s just not happening! So expensive, if buying direct!
They wants sixty bucks for a can of expanding foam. Meanwhile selling me power tools for less than Makita/Dewalt/Mikwaukee.
Always speak with your local account manager regarding consumables and fixings pricing. They may be able to support and offer fair pricing.
Eco foam has a full capacity of 60 ltrs. If ordered in packs of 12 with or without a gun, it can work out competitive. Just speak with your account manager.
@@LeeMalsher Why should we need to talk to a account manager to get a fair price? Just sell to every one at a competitive rate & stop all the BS pricing . Hilti are on the slippery slope of decline
Hey Robin, that saw with all the bits £1620🤯🤯 bet your pleased you get free demo/ review stuff, crafty bugger!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 good on ya!!!
Does Milwaukee or parent TTI make the saw for Hilti? It shares a LOT of design details with the Milwaukee miter saws. The bevel adjust, trench cut adjust, angle lock and extendable supports are all different. But the handle design, blade guard, blade guard-guide, the shape in insert, even roughly the shape of the fences all look so similar to Milwaukee, but none are things I'd typically think of as "features" worth copying. Hence wondering if Hilti has possibly contracted out some of the design or manufacturing? Great review, thanks for the demo and runthrough of features!
It’s 100000% a modified Chervon saw. Cordless wise, Hilti is leaning on them hard for things they don’t make for themselves or get from Panasonic and Bosch. The only thing it shares with Milwaukee is basic standard miter saw stuff.
I'd like to see a mountain bike review please Robin, see you out on the trails 👌 Saw looks a beast, and being Hilti bet it will last too, be a great site saw. No need for one in my little garage for the odd random home project mind 😂
Robin, you missed a couple of key features!
The first is a negative if you ask me - this is that the trenching-feature seems not to have a locking mechanism. Perhaps I missed it but if it simply is a screw featrue then where is the secondary locking feature to avoid the screw your showed not 'creeping'. Creep it certainly will without a shadow of a doubt due to the inevitable and natural vibration of the whole machine.
The second is what appears to me one of the simplest feature of safety I have seen. Right at the end of the vid you casually slotted in the hold-down clamp. Nothing new there as it first appears like many other mitre saws have - a tedious screw-down mechanism which most simply end up not bothering with. However, looking closely, it has a simple quick-release mechanism included in this one. This should be lauded from up high. I have seen this sort of feature on many other screw-clamping systems - e.g., a bench clamp where it is pretty much ubiquitous - but this is the first time I have seen it implemented in a mitre saw hold-down system. So well done Hilti for thinking this one through! Utterly obvious application when all said and done!
The third feature you did not pint out is the ability to cut stuff like skirting/coving which is a lot 'taller' than the 4" cut capacity. The Hilti has the (fairly common now) cut-out behind the blade to facilitate cuts of about 6-8 inches by the look of it. It is a feature which is really worth it since finish carpenters are likely serious customers of this say.
Would be nice to see how it goes for dust management. Also weight. It looks heavy
Whenever I’m taking the plunge on a big ticket purchase like this I’m always asking myself if the inflated price tag is really worth it. I almost always end up opting for a more modest item and spending the saving on additional batteries or other tools using the same battery platform.
I have hit my limit with all of that. I tried spending the least amount of money to get the job done with my current platform and ended up learning that shopping for and spending money on the correct gear skips all of the drag of gear longing and the shoulda's; buy once cry once, charge your clients for the professional grade efficiency and fit and finish of good gear.
@@Jacob_Dwyer completely agree, you seldom see anything worth using at the bottom end of the price point. I’ve had pretty good luck with stuff priced just past the middle though and I have to confess I’m a sucker for a gadget so if I was going to become a “Hilti Artist” I’d very likely have to satisfy myself with fewer toys. I can’t see that happening!😂
The lock and set angle knob and lever is from bosch mitre saws about 10 years ago?
I got one of the pre order models early, it is a wonderful saw. But it is very heavy.
By looking at the blade, it looks like you are using a highly positive cutting angle blade.
In a professional environment in Germany, this might lead to issues with regulatory bodies.
Here it is strongly recommended to use blades with 5° or less positive or even negative angle.
I think most people who are interested of buying premium mitre saw, are wondering how this one compares to festool kapex and bosch ones. Ofc this one is battery version but still same kind of size/capacity.
@aapoapina7390 for this kind of money it needs to be better than the Kapex which is tough or its not good enough.
You’re getting the Hilti for the price of the tiny Kapex, not the 10” one. And here in the US there’s no such thing as a nice Bosch miter saw. 😂
@robertrada4783 I agree with you about the Bosch but here in Europe its competing on price with the larger Kapex
hi robin you cant beat hilti tools ........in my opinion top trades man like yourself deserve the ROOLS ROYCE of tools but i know they are not cheap but they are the ultimate quality
What would have being nice is when you pull the battery the blade automatically locks. Still looks like a nice bit of kit . The new laser looks goos got my eye on it when funds allow. Personally i prefer to pay the tools outright as it means i don't have the stress of monthly payments
Anything goes wrong the tool is still covered.
Hopefully Hilti done their own design and manufacturing of this new saw, it looks very similar to the Makita saws but Makita have issues with the head of their saws being out of alignment with the rails
A very nice saw indeed but not as nice as the Festool Kapex 120. Have they forgotten the laser?
It is fitted with saddow light.
The Kapex ain’t all it’s cracked up to be. Honestly mostly all of the sliding miter saws have things to complain about.
Hi Robin always enjoy your videos can I ask how do UK carpenters charge for 2nd fix work? As a carpenter in Aus. We get severely ripped off as most builders just give m2 per floor area. I believe it needs to be per meter of trim, per item etc looking forward to your reply Trev
Here in the UK, house builders and bigger developers or the large subcontracting firms do dictate the prices, so much for fitting a lining and hanging a door etc, I recently interviewed a Quantity Surveyor for my podcast and asked him what the going rate was for hanging a door and a couple of other items and i was shocked at the cost!! way more than I would charge!!! so it all varies wildly even here!!!
@@ukconstruction Cheers for that its an interesting topic
Where did you get that red 40v Makita from?
The only Hilti tool I could afford to buy a few years ago was a resin caulk gun and a cartridge nail gun…..
Nice gear but way too expensive unless you’re a roofer…. 😀
I’d like to see a review of site planer/thicknesser.
What do you do with all your Hikoki and metabo gear?
4:52 4:56 4:59 looks nice . Hopefully there come out with a 216mm blade version for second fix work
Looks very similar to my makita
The fact that Hilti have changed the battery format is a big NO for me!! In my opinion, Hikoki power tools are 🔥🔥🔥
I shopped their Gen1 22v gear and I still see it working well here and there. And they have an adapter for the new batteries, which demonstrates that they are committed to their tools (which do last a long time). I bought the Nuron platform as a deal bundle (SF4H-22, the "compact class" hammer drill/driver, two -55 batteries and a charger) for $300 and have been impressed enough that new tools are Nuron. Can only say positive things about the platform. I did a job that required a concrete saw and got to try out the Nuron of that, and would lease it if I had more concrete cutting work.
I've Had a Bosch GCM 12SD working perfectly for the last 17 years. You tryng to tell me this is better. It does'nt have any features my Bosch does'nt already have. I fact it is pretty much a copy of the Bosch but 17 years late. And the Bosch is half the price !......
Looks a lot like the Bosch GLD, but without the GLD!
Ear protection Robin !!
When warranty runs out and you get that RED light on any Hilti tool you have to send it to a certified Hilti service center (even tho you have been able to change eg the bearings yourself) and those guys charge heavily while your down time is escalating. In addition (and I don't know exactly here so correct me if I'm wrong), say your controller is bad, possibly you have to change the whole electric assembly (motor, trigger, controller, battery connector) and likewise for the gear assembly, just like in all Milwaukee and many DeWalt tools. That's why I like Bosch and Makita, unless my budget could afford a fleet contract OR I finally upgrade to Festool ... just saying.
I agree about Bosch/Makita being excellent for individual parts. Festool is just as good too. Dewalt and Milwaukee used to be excellent. It’s their cordless stuff that’s only provided in sub assemblies. You can get parts from Hilti. Obviously they’d prefer you send in for service but you just ask for the exploded diagram and they email it to you with the parts numbers. I believe in the UK you can access straight from the website. Other countries with lesser consumer rights you have to prod, but it’s not that difficult. The service light is only on their SDS Max combihammers/breakers and larger breakers and jackhammers. It’s not a bad brush light ala Bosch. It’s timed and you definitely want a service at that interval. Fifty bajillion o-rings to replace and not at all a diy job.
Plus all Hilti stuff comes with a free angry Rottweiler to leave in the van overnight
Robin, are you being sponsored by Hilti?
Yes they support my channel, at the beginning of the video there is a paid promotion notice
@@ukconstruction Sorry, I missed that; thanks.
If they had decided to do a 10” I’d be all over it. Sure it’s a nicer Kobalt/Flex…but…ain’t nothing wrong with a nicer Kobalt/Flex. Miter saws are a tricky sku to offer. If you don’t have 10”, 12” and tiny 7-1/4” to 8-1/2”, 2/3’s of the customers won’t be happy.
What happened to the Hikoki? 😢😢😢 Or was that a table saw?? Can't remember 😂😂😂
you would need a security guard working with you to keep an eye on it..
You can get a metabo mitre saw stand with wheels that's solidly built and is very similar mechanism to the hilti. I dare say it wobbles less too. (Not at all) £109. Ish. I like the design of the Hilti stuff though. Big advantage of the brishless cordless is they're so much quieter.
I thought you were really big into Hikoki ?
Into whatever is free 😉
I have tried all the major brands and work closely with them, something I have done way before youtube and social media was a thing
Festool need to launch ks120 cordless 36v twin 18v
Hilti is redesigning festool
not available in the USA
have it no laser
Jesus H Christ £850 for a Hilti and it doesn’t even come with a battery or charger, is a politician the new CEO of Hilti
Hilti do great stuff but they are very quickly pricing people out the market with their tools which I think is the intent and push people into the fleet management which then ties people in with an indefinite revenue stream like signing up for a car finance agreement and they seem to have a random number generator when it comes to the prices, take the multitool, very reasonable I thought at £240inc vat fair enough I’ve waited a while for it so went for it. They’ve just released the heat gun which I wanted and was probs prepared to pay £150 for the bare tool it came in at £283 inc vat 😳😳😳 for a bare tool!!. I know that Hilti use third party manufacturers for specialist tools but they seem to price those tools far to high 😅
Yeah, I pooped myself when I saw that UK heat gun price.
Looks good but too big , 10 would have been better.
Looks like the Makita saw 🤔🤔
I got the Makita.... It's dog shit.
All brands compete for battery platform as it seems, not for better tools… it looks like more expensive makita and don’t see anything better than dewalt for site work. For finish work kapex is still the best saw.
Looks like you should head down to your local Hilti store and drink the KoolAid. For example, Nuron batteries are on the bleeding edge of consumer tech, looks like space nerd, works the way it's supposed to: a surprising amount of cuts with their framing saw with their smallest battery (the day I finally ran out my big battery, grabbed the tiny off of the best hand light on the market to finish a set of framing cuts and dang). BTW yellow is what makes DIY'rs feel like they have arrived on the jobsite, but you're right they do make a quality jobsite saw that will do 70% of the new Nuron saw. Which still doesn't cost as much as a Kapex.
Would be nice to see a honest review of pros and con's but that's RUclips nowadays. DCS batteries is suing for defamation its all over RUclips let's back this Australia Man .
And yet a hilti nail gun is just a rawlplug and tjep gun with a hilti cover its the cheapest gun on the market.. but hilti charge £1150 or €1300 ... the tjep is €385 plus vat
Congrats, you watch RUclips videos. They want $300 for a crappy Chervon bandsaw that sells for less than $90 when it says Canadian Tire, Menards, or Kobalt on it. $150 when it says Bosch. 2 million $ when it says Panasonic. They also want $225 for twenty bucks worth of standard Wera bits. Home store tool brands outrageously mark up their batteries all for their precious free battery redemption marketing. Likewise, Hilti outrageously marks up a bunch of random things because it looks good on paper when they give it away free with three pallets of nails or whatever. Do I agree with it? No. But I imagine that either most firms were getting that nail gun for free with pallets or Hilti really didn’t want to carry it but a large client asked for it. It’s always one of those two reasons. They say they want to expand their demographics to include small operations, but this is definitely one area they’re not doing great with. Reminds me of Grainger.
You might like it but would you go out and buy one. Like all these promotional videos nobody tells you the price I wonder why ? my guess is its a Hilti so it will be bloody expensive.
The prices are all in the video description
Just found them and as I thought bloody expensive might help if Robin told us that at the beginning/end of the video. Still did not answer my other question would Robin to and buy one with his own money.
@@teversoncoleman496Flex wants $600 for their saw here and the Hilti will want $800. Is the Hilti version 25% better? Well…yes. And it’s still cheaper than what Makita want for XGT.
£ 850 for the saw but £ 1760 for the 5-amp battery😂
I would and I have bought plenty of Hilti during my 35 years in the trade
Used HILTI for over 30 years , once they began fitting the electronics that mean you have to use the dealers to get many jobs done , I sold all of it .
That wasn't a review. It was an advert.
Hilti makes great tools, but there's no way I'm carrying that big heavy monstrosity to every jobsite. I thought Bosch was heavy, the Hilti looks moreso.
Does anyone own one of these that isn't a paid sponsor?????
Yeah hilti is great but pretty hard to justify the money they want for their products. I mean I could sell my kidney to buy the saw stand then I still have to remortgage my house to buy the saw
I know the DIY/woodworking community especially on RUclips is calling a compound slide miter saw a chop saw - but this is not correct - it is not a chopsaw. Just like they've gone to calling a saber saw a "jigsaw". Is it too much to ask to call these things by their original, proper names?
It's possible because the term Chopsaw scores as a keyword better!!!
Hilti have the worst R&D department, just look at there jigsaw, we have 50k worth of hilti gear and we are phasing it out now, to expensive not well thought out and the new battery range is crap, sorry to poo on this but I've used their gear for over 20 years and it's not what it was
I have compared the new Nuron platform to many other manufacturers and so far I have had very good results, can you elaborate on why you are not seeing similar results as me?
@ukconstruction
Hi Robin
I don't think it's as good as their last 22volt range, the batteries don't last as long and feel less robust in the hand, and for some reason they are selling the old stock for more than the new, the jigsaw has an Allen key to adjust the base plate, aldi R&D right there,
Looks a decent bit of kit Robin, I’m rocking the Milwaukee cordless chop saw and happy so far , just need to chuck in a big high output battery to get the best
Weird,most of the Mafell fanatics raced toward the Hilti jigsaws because unlike everyone but Mafell, the on/off switch isn’t totally stupid (looking at carvex and Makita). The sole isn’t fancy though, I will agree. And not having a spot for the hex key is hilarious.
@@ukconstructionDevils advocate, I’ve had my fair share of faulty Hilti batteries and tools since the US Nuron launch. This includes some post covid 12v batts and tools along with Nuron.
One only has so many kidneys one can sell.....
Hilti have no interest in the little guy , all there stuff is over priced .
There nail gun isn’t as good as paslode
Circulars not as good as the flexvolt
And this saw will be bunk considering its 2k ex vat to buy as a kit
Only saving grace is there drywall gun , and the new head design in that is a backwards step
Hugely overpriced.
Copy of the kapex
It has none of the defining features of the Kapex and shares what Hitachi had already done.
@robertrada4783 it's all based on the kapex
@@samsingh2042 Horseshit. Where’s the massive bevel gauge and the super precise bevel adjustment knob at the front? Built in fence integration? Fast fix blade change? Super clever material clamp? Dialed in trenching function? Does it convert to a chop saw that increases the cutting capacity a good 25mm behind the bore hole with the flip of a switch? Other than dust extraction, that’s what Kapex brought to the table. The Hilti has none of these things. This may blow your mind but Festool didn’t invent forward rail sliding miter saws nor dust shrouds.
Very disappointed, like a Hilti advert? Thinking of unsubscribing ☹️
At the beginning of the video I declare a paid promotion label, when I make content for my channel no one pays me for this, ad revenue is small and does not cover this, if it was not for the brands supporting me then I would not be able to share my knowledge, being self employed is tough and I have to pay my bills if you feel that I should not be able to cover my costs then please unsubscribe
@@ukconstruction yeah, been self employed since I was 23 and at 67 still enjoying it and making a living but never sold out, always stuck with what I genuinely thought was best? 👍
So what? Robbin has every right to make these types of video. If you don't like it the you dont have to watch these ones, just watch his other fantastic videos.
Thank you
It does not matter if this is paid for content. The sheer amount of knowledge about both the product, and chop saws in general from this video is worth it
I paid £20 from Aldi, for mine!